And it's a craft, but it's a craft with consequences, and to approach it with kind of crazy joy? Can't keep holding it all in. In front of this really impressive looking machine. We'll be right back [inaudible 00:31:42], let's just finish this series. So if you have kids in the room, maybe this is a time to tell them to go brush their teeth or something. His was the first generation when a young Jewish boy could truly imagine that he could just be a regular part of that society. Visit casper.com/radiolab and use code radiolab and check out to get $50 towards select mattresses. And they would circle yes or no. I mean, I'm not suggesting one should, but I'm just saying there is a sense in which these people are prepared to do something that's very painful to them, and to someone else, because they want to promote science; well, you can see that's a good thing. Speaking with Carol's mom, Carol's little daughter-, Killed her. Yes. According to some accounts, as they crept across no man's land. Like, how do you tell the real baddies from the rest of us? Even now. You're going to keep giving him what, 450 volts every shot now? And you like her. Uh, she, uh, expressed disapproval about his, um, clothing choices. I dated her several times a year. He's chomping on a Virginian cigar. Is an absolute order. It was about how far would these people go? It's absolutely essential that you continue. The first victims of the Green River killer were found in the summer of 1982. Yes, it's awesome, thank you, Ben. Just to back up for one second. Hi, this is Lauren from Winnipeg. His wife, um, went into hiding. He even schemes against his own wife. Iago. It is still trotted out to explain everything from hazing to war crimes. Now there's a footnote to this that is very strange. You know, this was like oil is today. I think I call it [prince-nez 00:28:23], so I'm not sure. That is true. He buried them, or left their bodies in these little clumps in the woods-. He started calling me a whore and told me he didn't love me anymore. He takes over leadership of this institute in Berlin, and he starts hobnobbing with a whole different level of society. Bald on top. We thought that maybe as- as we turn a corner ourselves, we should refresh. Thanks. "It's okay to admit this, you need to admit this.". Then the executioner castrates you, cuts you open, and takes out your internal organs, and then separate your head; which is put on a post. However, that leaves behind 20 million Germans. And this is the difference between Kaiser Wilhelm and of course Hitler's Germany. In that why, in that one simple why that he asked Gary, there was a lot of questions he was asking. The thing is that I do have a new boyfriend, but my ex-boyfriend doesn't know that yet, and I'm terrified that he'll do what he says. And he spends five years and a futile effort-, Sounds insane. radiolab-archive. Rocket Mortgage by Quicken Loans. Wow. And the number of chemical reactions. And to make the problem even more annoying. But if you think that's the right thing, if you think that science is worth pursuing you say, "Okay, I'll go along with this.". Well, we'll have to discontinue the experiment then. And my dad said, "I don't want to talk about it." The Green River murders terrorized Seattle in the 1980s. With all of the black-and-white moralizing in our world today, we decided to bring back an old show about the little bit of bad that's in all of us.and the little bit of really, really bad that's in some of us. Uh, he's a master plotter. Two more minutes. Dan Charles, Sam Keen, Latif Nasser, Fred Koffman and Fritz Stern. It immediately became apparent that there was going to be difficulties. Speaker 2: Radiolab believes your ears are a portal to another world. He had an attack or something there. I'm gonna-. Enhancing public understanding of science and technology in the modern world. It's about 1880. And he says, "Because of the rage." And to this day they have not talked about that day. Test the outer edges of what you think you know, Copyright 2019 New York Public Radio. Uh, we ask "Who did you think about killing?" Yeah, I don't think we quite [crosstalk 00:49:32]. My students are murderers.". I'm Robert Krulwich. Accuracy and availability may vary. Then suddenly the thought occurred to me that my life would be much happier without him in existence.". No 'cause if you couldn't afford a ticket for a play, you'd seen all the plays, in the 1500s you could always go to a public hanging. But you can't throw that air onto a plant. But the weird thing is that he decides not just to take down Othello, but everybody. About; Blog; Projects; Help; Donate An illustration of a heart shape . But if looked at from another perspective, there's a sense in which you could celebrate what they're doing. Okay. We take a look at one particular fantasy lurking behind these numbers, and wonder what this shadow world might tell us about ourselves and our neighbors. Milgram staged the whole thing like it was some experiment about memory and punishment, but of course it wasn't about that. And he believed it. And once again, another nitrogen compound. Shoots herself in the chest. So, these are some word pairs. Each answer just begs another why. Meanwhile later that night, the other side of town. You're not the first one. Just push the button that corresponds to the right word. The fact that he kept on doing it over and over and over again was like, "Come on.". I got those all at night, mostly. And according to some accounts, as it crept across no man's land-. even past when they were screaming in pain. All right, just to back up for one second. He actually was very humiliated that Germany had lost, and especially humiliated over the fact that they had to pay enormous war reparations to other countries. But when he gets there, he has to contend with his wife, Clara Immerwahr. Haber's gas troops, unscrew, they open the valves on almost 6,000 tanks, containing 150 tons of chlorine. Then he goes and, you know, and celebrates that. Literally disappeared for six months and didn't tell anyone where she was because she was terrified that he was going to kill her. Imagine they really were had to administer shocks to themselves or something. Hmm. This is Jeff Jensen, and he's a reporter in LA. And not just yeses. This next part's a little graphic. We will begin with this test-. Yes. That afternoon, he gets in his car, goes home, he finds my mom on the deck, sits down next to her. This actually brings us to the first topic of the hour, so let me Just to set it up. So, how do you feel about him now because I don't know I can't help but feel bad for the guy? And did you go back to the party then and continued dinner partying for a while? Yeah let's . It's absolutely essential that you continue. 1933 comes and Hitler takes over. And there is no doubt that today's plants and animals carry the genetic legacy of ancestors who fought fiercely to survive and reproduce. Now that's important. So, you see, it's just in that one experiment that 65% of people are willing to go all the way. I think you got to answer it, "With him." The expectation is somebody is made to make his peace with his maker before he dies; that's what you do. You can find out more information about all those guys on our website, radiolab.org. But as the play goes on, you begin to think that maybe that's just another lie. Give me two more minutes. But you know, we ended up walking this question around to different people. And in this one you get 0% going all the way. With AI, blockchain, and quantum technology, IBM is developing smart, scalable technologies that help businesses work better together. I-. This is Jeff Jensen and he's a reporter in LA. Something's happening to that man in there. My dad said, "I don't want to talk about it." She had something else on her mind. This is just somebody who's performing brain surgery without anesthesia on other people. Really? Suddenly I'm thinking this is actually a darker interpretation. And then Othello goes and kills his own wife, smothering hew with a pillow. All rights reserved. The Bad Show Jul 27, 2018. And that's all the difference in the world. And what he means is that when nitrogen atoms are just free floating in the air, they will cling to each other. Speaking with Carol's mom, Carol's little daughter. James Shapiro, professor of English at Columbia University. That guy yelling of course was an actor and the shocks weren't real, but the questions in the air at the time were very real. Sounds insane. Okay, we're going off tape now. In Seattle today a man called the Green River killer-. And, you know, it's a craft, but it's a craft with consequences. There's something deeply, deeply wounding, stressing, upsetting a thought that he had anything to do with Zyklon B, but he did. And you find yourself in a situation where you've got to do something that's hard. Wasn't satisfying me, it made me mad that she was very much in a hurry, she had something else on her mind, and I killed her. They're trying to do the right thing. So, my father and the other interviewer in that room that morning, Detective John Natson, they start using a line of, uh, uh, a tact of, uh, uh, of interviewing him that was very-. Investigating a strange world. They reach back to the shelf and they find this zyklon stuff. And it becomes Zyklon B, the killing gas of the concentration camps. The time now is 08:36 hours. If you breathed it in, it sort of irritates your lungs to the extent that they sort of fills up with fluid so quickly that you sort of drowning in your own phlegm. You've touched me. Because, ultimately, the play offers up a reason for his nastiness. We, as onlookers to this study, we have this kind of godlike sort of vision of like, "Well, of course, what they're doing is wrong." And as it happens, my father has very vivid memories of investigating the Carol Christensen murder. And also, thank you to Alex Haslam, Professor of Psychology at the University of Exeter. Become A Member. And especially humiliated over the fact that they had to pay enormous war reparations to other countries. Been through this a lot of times before, and she's already told you she's in a hurry. That I remember picking her up and-. Now, admittedly it's a war, but still. That's one of the things we have to know, and that's why it's okay to let it out. And later that night, after party, Haber takes a bunch of sleeping pills, goes to sleep. Because this room's echo-y. So in the Milgram case. Milgram staged the whole thing like it was some experiment about memory and punishment, but of course it wasn't about that. Yeah. "I need to kill because of that." Within minutes the gas reached the Allied side. I'm going to resign.". Cruelty, violence, badness. Any idea what the hell he was intending? We need to put it under a lot of pressure. But he does it with a kind of amoral athleticism, he does it without humility, without a lot of doubt. So, how do you feel about him now? He walked out of the room, and just started weeping. And he says, "Can I come over and sleep on your couch? When you call someone, "Evil." He travels to the front. And Hitler takes over. Our staff includes Simon Adler, Maggie Bartholomew, Becca Bressler, Rachael Cusick, David Gebel, Ethel Hepti, Tracy Hunt, Matt Kielty, the lovely Robert Krulwich, Annie McEwen, Latif Nassar, Malissa O'Donnell, Adrian Wack, Pat Walters, and Molly Webster. His wife went into hiding. Support Radiolab today atRadiolab.org/donate. He would have each subject sit down at a table. I- I know it was more than [inaudible 00:59:44]. I mean, you have to remember, during the- during the Crimean War in the 1850s, Europe starves. Okay. 1933 comes. Well, Sam, what happened to this guy after World War I? And not just 'cause he was vain, which everyone agrees he was, but because he loves his country. ", "Set deadly enmity between two friends make poor men's cattle break their necks, set fire on barns and haystacks in the night, and bid the owners quench, you quench with their tears. That's what we're heading towards. So he decided he was going to invent a process to pay for these reparations by himself. It is a fair question to ask, "What are the conditions under which you, or me, or any of us could do-. New York Public Radio transcripts are created on a rush deadline, often by contractors. So, go to audible.com/radiolab or text Radiolab to 500500 for a free 30 day trial and a few audiobook. So, wait, if it doesn't show that people are just obeying orders-. I'm not going to give you what you want. And isn't this a good thing that we have people in our society who are willing to make sacrifices for a greater- the greater good? You know, on the other hand, I mean, if you look at the grand calculus, people he's he-helped or fed versus people he's killed, I mean, he's got fed billions of people, I don't know that you could entirely call him bad. So, as we begin this episode of the Bad Show, check out The Blank Slate by Steven Pinkner, one of the world's leading experts on language and the mind. We were just enacting an old very famous experiment you may have heard about. 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