), but I think if you look at all other successful idol groups too, there is always something similar with controversies and hate there as well. Like everyone says here, it will never excuse their actions but if we can see them grow and learn from their mistakes I'll always be there to support them. The post isnt supposed to be the be-all-and-end-all of offensive super junior. When I say this, the person might think, Look whos talking, but I would reply, Im a boy and youre a girl, To this, both Kim Shin Young and announcer Gu Eun Young retorted, Why does gender matter in this situation? (but if you need the actual fan account to knock that off, i guess ill find someone who can give that to you. They are definitely not out to hurt anybody, that I know for sure. In the show, there are co-cast members Par Na Rae and Han Ye Jin. I also included a link to it at the top of the super junior post. or for the life of me find it again so this is unsourced for the time being. . Anyway, just my thoughts. In the boy groups section, there are fans defending them for everything and even saying things like, "Come back when ___(male idols)__ abuse people, then we'll talk about them being 'problematic'." So I decided to forgive them cause myself personally thinks that they tried to show love to Bruno Mars which is apparently one of their fav artist by doing a vcr of their songs but stupidity and very ignorantly decided to dark their skin to match his and his dancers. It is common in America to wear red puffy wigs as the stereotype of a clown, however it is not as common in South Korea, which is why Hwasa wore braids as the hair to her outfit. ; _____; aaaa. but this stuff isnt discussed when it comes to suju - people take anything and make it problematic for members who havent done things like kangin, shindong, leeteuk, and yesung, and then just throw it around to defend their favorites. if you want to complain about me making this or ask me why i did, please read this first, honestly i will not respond to anyone who has not read this first. With reference to the Baekhyun-autism-comment issue, it has been a topic of much debate as many people have said that the korean word for autistic is similar to the korean word for defeated-i want to clarify that i do not speak korean so i cannot judge this myself-and that it was just a mistranslation. As much as I have enjoyed running this blog, there are lots of aspects of it which have purely been a source of anxiety and distress for me. ga('ads.send', { heechul just wore a scarf on his head - thats not how anyone wears a hijab properly and white women have been doing that since like the 40s. }); In this video, they wore blackface. The company even took it down same day and cut it out so to make sure that it was offending people. However, this became a lot more unlikely when a second video was released, titled censored version, which did not include the supposed autism comment. My hiatus is indefinite, but its unlikely Ill be running it again any time soon. #AskHwasa. Im aware people can be incredibly childish when it comes to offensive stuff in kpop, almost like its some game, like, there are actual people who look forward to exos next fuckup as though its not something that deeply upsets people. Also of note, Mamamoo participated in and won the 2019 Queendom, coming in first place against such idols as (G)I-DLE, AOA, Oh My Girl, Park Bom, and Lovelyz. Goodnight. #1. Mamamoo is not the most problematic group ever I'm a fairly new Mamamoo fan and I was hearing a lot about them being super problematic towards black people (so being black) I decided to some research to find out. }); I promise you it wasnt a group thing. You need to Register or Login to view the content and I know it would've been much, much lower if I didn't force y'all to give the NMIXX songs an average of at least 3.00. Refresh the page,. Mamamoo isn't even the first K-Pop group or artist to don blackface in 2012, Big Bang's G-Dragon (who have been called the "biggest band in Asia") posted a horrific photo that many believed was. Not saying they should be excused for the things that have hurt other peoples feelings, but I dont think causing controversy or hurt would ever really be their intention for anything. That doesnt make it okay and it doesnt mean it cant be just as harmful, but considering they are nearly always the victims of such colorist comments, it is somewhat different to when they come from somebody else who is unaffected by them. window.googletag.pubads().addEventListener('impressionViewable', function(event) { I found out that they did blackface which is disgusting and heartbreaking cause I really liked them so I stewed on it for a few days and looked again and found that they had apologised that same day 2x and that they also apologised in person the next day concert. After Wendys tragic and heartbreaking fall, immediately there were dozens upon dozens of tweets wishing Hwasa could take her place and become horribly injured. eventAction: 'click_ads' Some things aren't even their fault, but ofc they're going to frame it that way (like Wheein saying that she feels like a normal person for making silly faces and people bashing her saying that she's thinking too highly of herself as a celebrity? As for the criticism of my post in your tags, I still feel like it was appropriate to include the Kris thing, though I understand why some people dont think its offensive/problematic. It's just crazy how haters can twist every single thing. Thanks for posting this. JavaScript is disabled. They apologized. One user shared, "HELP THE QUESTIONS FOR #AskHwasa I CANT," along with a screenshot of some of their favorites, another said, "THE TWEETS UNDER THIS HASHTAG ARE RUTHLESS AHAJAKXH," and one joked, "The gates of heaven are not opening for ANY of yall. They've made mistakes in the past, but they're learning and growing through their experiences. It's harder to get exposed to these issues that we know about under their circumstances, but once Mamamoo comes across them and understand, they'll learn from it. In terms of overlooking, I'm not sure what is expected since they've apologized for their actions and speech and the apologies have been pretty prompt. Yes, we're all people, but idols are scrutinized for their every word and action, even much more so than non-celebrities). I do understand that some things which look like reaches to other people arent always reaches though. Advanced Faker. Dark smudges of makeup were put on her face to represent dirt that the beggar character had on him, and people accused her of doing blackface for it, even though she was portraying a Korean character, and not someone of African descent. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. Theres no point calling people too sensitive, especially when the stuff pointed out causes many problems, for fans and also the members themselves (for example, Kai has shown numerous times that he is upset by/fed up with the comments on his skin). Trust me when I say that most of the people who whine about mamamoo blackface are non-black people , I've seen a lot of black MooMoos who have forgiven them since the apology , but a lot of non black kpop fans wear it on their neck like it actually affected them in the first place , I may be the only one who thinks this way but American Kpop fans act very arrogantly when it comes to mamamoo a controversy. MAMAMOO () is a four-member girl group currently under RBW. actually dont feel like fighting that person on their response, so im just letting it go. Non fans for all the questions, suggestions, reviews, anything. 18 Jan 2023, 08:31 PM . Im not really sure what else to say, if anyone wants to talk to me about it, thats fine. You need to Register or Login to view the content. One tweet asked, "What we feeling today -er or -a? And it appears they still hold her accountable for it, largely owing to past instances of appropriation, such as wearing a durag. Their sound is diverse, but can best be described as a mix between jazz, retro, and R&B. I recently fell in love with these girls again after I took a break from kpop. media-tech companies with hubs around the world. They never went into these situations with the intent of hurting or offending anyone. I was enjoying binging 4 years worth of missed content from them but I guess it's inevitable that I stumbled on . Yeah, the first thing international fans do is hear that Mamamoo is bad and that they shouldn't like them, and then they jump in on the hate without doing their own research. So those are the most controversial things talked about that Mamamoo has done. Her confidence has grown through the years, due in part to her role models such as Beyonce and Rihanna, with Hwasa even saying in a now viral video Soon, I found myself promising this: If I dont fit into this generations standard of beauty, then I will have to become a different standard but prejudice based off looks has always been the sore button topic for her. The next big issue made public came when Solar dressed up as a Korean beggar from Train to Busan (2016) for their next ending concert video. This is extremely disheartening, as Hwasa has spent her entire life fighting against such backwards thoughts as that. }) As the n-word is decidedly not of Asian-country origins it would make sense that she would not know the meaning of a English word that she is quickly seeing and then singing in a song, as it is a word which takes most, if not all, of its derogatory meaning from American context. This brings us now to the true reason for this article. That crosses every sort of line. asked one user while another tweet read, "Dark skin or brown skin men? For hours the terms hwasa n-word, hwasa racist, hwasa ugly, hwasa dead, were the most common twitter terms in Hwasas searches, while Moos rushed around trying to tweet positive things and trend protective hashtags in response. I would think that all of their positives outweigh their negatives so I'm going to continue to be a fan of them and their musicand not care about netizen/fan hate against them. Shaun of @shaun_vids on Twitter said recently in response to another girl's hate storm against her that mirrors the exact same patterns as Mamamoo's, If someone does something worthy of criticism, and that criticism is then directly delivered thousands of times by different people (a section of whom will go much too far and be genuinely abusive), it all just merges into abuse in the perception of the one being criticised.. Probation Faker. I will try to work on this in the future because I dont want to portray idols as villains when theyre not actually responsible for what has happened (e.g. Watch popular content from the following creators: natalie(@chuusvideogame), matching pfp with @asapminho(@ryyujinnn), Malaiya<3 (@soulspotato__), donnie<3(@twicesring), number one heejin stan(@realchaeyoungpark) . Why? You must understand that Asians are very very different from non asians in terms of being conservative, preferring lighter skin and saying that theh are not gay. Coming in at last place is the debut single of NMIXX, O.O.This song now also holds the distinction of having the lowest average in the history of KSOTY. The photos are problematic as they were taken in 2008 when Chorong was in high school and underage at 17 years old. It genuinely makes me sad that the kpop community hasn't changed since I left it in 2014 which is why I'm so reluctant to jump back into it and only really here to support MAMAMOO. I like most of the members included in that post, please dont try to make it out like I dont, because it perpetuates the idea that fans cant criticise the things they love. Press J to jump to the feed. Ive heard Moomoos are known as fairly passive, but its also why they are known as some of the most accepting and even better behaved fans. document.querySelector("#ads").addEventListener('click',function(){ And when a few Moos did call other fandoms out on their abusive tweets, the response that night was majority she deserves it, or most common answer: its just a joke. Thats not true. This was such a good response. offensive/misogynistic comments to his Cyworld account, Kai was in charge of skin color in the group, my noona is a little on the tanned side, no wonder why you guys acted like you were so close with each other, I thought the lights were not entering over there, said that he has Kai saved as Blackie in his phone contacts, in a pre-debut video with a hard -er at the end, how can you say something that doesnt even make sense?, Chanyeol asked Kai if he wanted to lighten his skin, Dont misunderstand us. I think people need to realize that Asia is still inside a bit of a bubble when it comes to what is appropriate regarding race and cultures. 2. But what appears to be the root of people's unforgiving nature where Hwasa is concerned is that despite past apologies and promises to do better, the idol has continued to make mistakes in the form of cultural appropriation. Solar will previal . The thing to note here is that Hwasa is not fluent in English. (especially since hes never repeated anything like that.). yeah Id probably classify myself as a pacifist, thought I understand the use of violence in self defence or sports that require violence (MMA, boxing, etc.). So many public figures coming out and vouching for Mamamoos talent and success only continues to prove their worth and value to the world. ga('ads.send', { You dont owe them anything in the lines of forgiveness, especially if you were one of the people they personally hurt with their past actions. We're celebrities too but we're human first.". Hwasa in 2015 said the n word in a show where she was given the lyrics but being a non English speaker she clearly didn't know what she was saying. kpop groups; soloists; socials and info; Back; kpop groups. #1,972. Personally, from the time that I've been a fan, Mamamoo has usually apologized/acted contrite for any controversies that they've caused. ourbridgeisforever:. I always try to reblog posts made by the people who are affected and include links in my responses but I havent been so good at keeping my mouth shut when it doesnt involve me, which is something I am going to change in myself. yeah, suju has done problematic stuff and i agree, we shouldnt defend it or excuse it, its good to have that kind of discussion. And please send me a link when you upload the video, Id be interested in seeing your translation. pg.acq.push(function() { Their interactions with their fans and staff members are so sweet and genuine, and they do their best to be inclusive of everyone (like Wheein taking her time to speak to a deaf fan and doing some sign language, Hwasa going on the floor to sign a fan's cast---the list goes on). Kim Yong-sun (Korean: , born February 21, 1991), better known by the stage name Solar (Korean: ), is a South Korean singer, songwriter and actress signed under RBW.She is the leader and main vocalist of girl group Mamamoo and its sub-unit Mamamoo+. For the segment, the three followed outfits . I think its kind of childish and irresponsible to exaggerate information and twist the truth just to justify your own personal dislike for a person, without regard for out it may affect them or their fans. The whole thing was carelessly done and not very thorough. Everyday there are tweets wishing for her to die, get beat up, fall out of planes, etc. Korean girl group Mamamoo apologized Saturday after a video clip aired at their concert that featured the quartet in blackface. } Sorry this got a bit long but I appreciate you responding. Posts: 310. Everyone, dont think of dirty thoughts!, negative comment about Taos skin being dark, cant be too chubby/fat and must have a nice body, He has darker skin than me, doesnt he?, in general, youre skin looks better if you have a lighter skin tone. Siwon isnt the only member this has happened to, and I also understand that a lot of the time people take things out of context in order to justify hating on a specific member and its really frustrating. If we reflect on our own selves, Im sure a lot of us have done some similar things that could be classified as questionable if we were always in the spotlight as idols too. There are so many kids in the . Mamamoo isn't problematic. Fans welcome to spam photos, videos, gifs, to talk about Mamamoo, Solar, Moonbyul, Wheein, Hwasa updates, music, content or anything. Not speaking Korean and being confused about whats true and what isnt? Heechul put the scarf on his head as Gain was explaining why she chose to wear hers in a hijab style. ga('ads.send', { Koreaboo, a digital media company, also reached out to the group because of the incident, and attempted to explain to them exactly why their video was so hurtful. i love exo. Yes, I should have included things such as dates. Goodbye! problematickpop:. The MAMAMOO Introduction Guide of 2022 (Part 1: Members) MOO YT 40K views 7 months ago Is Duolingo Really a Good Way to Study Japanese? Its probably my fault for not communicating that clearly enough though. I'm sure I'm still unlearning a lot of things today. People always said they do so much CA and I tried to find some examples but the only one that again seemed to be twisted was them appropriating Indian culture during AZE GAG but that was misconstrued as it was about Buddhism not Hindu culture even the line is the song is about Buddhism and one of the members is Buddhist so I don't have a massive issue with it. We are one of the worlds fastest growing I feel like my SuJu MP wasnt anywhere near as thorough as the exo one because I have exams at the moment so I was unable to spend as much time on it, so Id really appreciate it if people sent me anything they think I missed. [3] Villain. Mobile +91-9466446612, +91-9728497962; Email info@pvginternationals.com; wow tanaan jungle questline; small planet airlines fleet; you've got mail bookstore name Nobody is saying you cant like these idols, everybody messes up at some point, but dont call other people sensitive just because you might have a higher tolerance level. So i don't usually dig into controversies but I couldn't help bumping into a few recently regarding Mamamoo. Im going to leave this blog up so people can still refer to some of the posts and look through the tags. They're open-minded and extremely kind people. Have they done offensive and hurtful things in the past? hey uh, not a lot of people are anyway (thankfully), but Id really appreciate it if people could stop reblogging the super junior post I made, thatd be fab ty. They wont know the nuances of why what they did is offensive to us and thats why we tell them. The callout, this time, however, was linked to the singer's inclusion of Latin-themed elements in her song's lyrics and music. What are your thoughts? The Radish Farm (Mamamoo Thread) This is going to be safe space for everyone who wants to talk about Mamamoo. | by unchangingtruth | Medium Write Sign up Sign In 500 Apologies, but something went wrong on our end. 6)not excusing it or defending it but [continues to make an excuse for Henry] Sorry, but yes, you are trying to make up excuses for him. The K-POP idol's vocal talent is considered one of the best in the industry and yet, she continues to receive a great amount of . I encourage everybody to keep general discussion going, but for now, Im stepping out. Im honestly not trying to tell people that everybody on that list is a problematic asshole, as Ive said before, Heechul is one of my ultimate biases and I dont think hes a problematic asshole. The point is to provide information about things which could be perceived as offensive so that fans can decide for themselves whether or not they feel comfortable continuing to support the idols. pic.twitter.com/d4GXcv4AIt, As more fans attempted to clear the hashtag and ask for others to be kind and consider the mental health of idols like Hwasa, some couldn't help but laugh at the questions being asked. Group. okay so people seemed to find my exo masterpost pretty helpful and Im very aware that suju arent exactly the least offensive group around, so (since the YFIP one isnt very up-to-date) I thought Id make a super junior masterpost since Im a suju fan and I want to provide helpful resources for other fans. So to me Mamamoo isn't the most problematic groups, they are one of the every few kpop groups that take criticism and acknowledge it and learn from it. please read this first, honestly i will not respond to anyone who has not read this first. I can understand how a youtube translating team could mess up their translation, Ive seen it happen before, but as a person who doesnt know Korean I have to go off what Korean-speaking people tell me. Im not trying to run away from anything, if you have issues with any of the things I say or do (because I am privileged in certain aspects) please dont feel afraid to bring them up! Its much appreciated :-), Im KOREAN TOO, and shes lying, i will post a video with the REAL ONE and gonna call you out too.-. Fandom Name - Moomoo Sub-Unit - Mamamoo+ Japanese Website Twitter Japanese Twitter Instagram YouTube Japanese YouTube Fan Cafe Tiktok They could learn about Korean values and customs online, but they'll never truly understand the severity of it because they're not from that culture where it's significant. }); Hwasa is an idol who isn't afraid to be herself. They expect idols to be the wokest people out there because theyre celebrities when in reality theyre just the product of their colorist society. But seeing these articles faze me. I feel like stepping back will give me more time to learn and expand my horizons and less time to speak on topics I dont actually know much about. Ill probably check over the masterpost tomorrow and try to add more info and context and stuff. My mom would like to know #AskHwasa, is mama africa a good name for you? Meanwhile for girl groups it's just full of hate comments even if they did not do as many or as severe problematic things as boy groups. 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